May 17th, 2009

yellow_elephant

more Day Time Soaps...

Wow - a new spin in the timeline:
_May 6, 2009: CIA Director Leon Panetta tells lawmakers in a letter to the Intelligence Committee that he can't vouch for the accuracy of the CIA records that describe what Pelosi and other lawmakers were told about enhanced interrogation techniques. It's up to the Intelligence Committee to "determine whether this information is an accurate summary of what actually happened," he writes.

_May 7, 2009: Pelosi's spokesman says she stands by her account of the 2002 briefing, and for the first time says that at that session Pelosi was told specifically that waterboarding had not been used. "The briefers described these techniques, said they were legal, but said that waterboarding had not yet been used," said spokesman Brendan Daly.

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_May 15, 2009: Panetta tells CIA employees in a message that agency records show CIA officers briefed lawmakers truthfully in 2002 on methods of interrogating terrorism suspects, but it is up to Congress to reach its own conclusions about what happened. "Let me be clear. It is not our policy or practice to mislead Congress," Panetta writes.</i>
[ cf SPIN METER: What Pelosi knew when on waterboarding ]
Well.

There you go. Congress should be more than willing to work from the position that when an agency of the government commits itself to not violating it's corporate fifth ammendment rights against getting prosecuted for committing crimes, that the agency involved will have clearly used as truthful enough language so as to clearly indicate that they were working within the context of a lawful declaration of declaring the truthfulness as truthfully as is required without actually testifying that they are openly engaged in crimes.

Hey kids, while we are here, is this also a part of the religious war about 'means and methods' or would that be taking us into a nasty space where, gosh, folks are not as sure if the release of 'means and methods' is still a crime...

Hey kids, Flash Thot - congress should be allowed to waterboard persons testifying before them, so as to make sure that we are getting our 115% of the truth, above and beyond the call of truthierneff...
yellow_elephant

speaking of Georg Elser...

Georg Elser you remember him, the chap who set the bomb at the old fighter's gathering in 1939....

After which, as we all know, the various state organizations, torturing folks, found out that so many Jews, Gypsies, mentally defective, genetically questionable, work-shy, and the likes were all a part of some super secret konspiracy, that for reasons of national security, well, they had to be detained and tortured, to find out how deep the konspirakii really was...
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Evil Liberal Meme Undermines War Fighting Capacity

Your results:
You are Data
Data
89%
Deanna Troi
85%
Leonard McCoy (Bones)
80%
Spock
80%
Jean-Luc Picard
80%
Chekov
75%
Will Riker
70%
An Expendable Character (Redshirt)
70%
James T. Kirk (Captain)
70%
Geordi LaForge
65%
Worf
55%
Uhura
55%
Mr. Scott
55%
Beverly Crusher
45%
Mr. Sulu
35%
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this surprises me how?

update:Now this surprised meCollapse )
yellow_elephant

have your disappeared cleared things up.

A happy h/t to tongodeon for Ibn al-Shaykh al-Libi dies of "suicide" and the source of the original Ibn al-Shaykh al-Libi Has Died In A Libyan Prison by Andy Worthington, which of course visits the problem spaces where we have to wonder how exactly we should deal with 'special renditioning'.

My shorter take remains:
If you are willing to torture,
Then it does not matter what happens to information,
or the information container.
So of course the important question is how can Nancy Pelosi stay in office having known all these years that the CIA was actively engaged in criminal conduct.... Because of course, if the CIA were committing crimes that violated the 8th Ammendment, and federal statuatory law, then of course, they would have told Congress That, since of course, they would not lie to congressional oversight.

Thus clearly the CIA would have told nancy, and of course, there was all the truthierNeff about how they had been telling Nancy that many times before the time when they had been telling her only the one time, that they had always been....

Yeah.... help me out with all of this again?